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none of it makes any sense in the real world. >> mr. lapierre, that is the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. we'll stop them from the purchase. you missed that point completely. >> senator, i think you missed -- >> let there be order. >> senator patrick leahy, the chairman of the committee, pointed out the last time he testified about this his testimony was the exact opposite. >> we think it should be mandatory for background checks at every gun sale, no loopholes for anyone. in fact it is the media's well-kept secret, they were the supporter of the check list now in place. we think it is reasonable to provide for instant gun checks at shows just like at gun stores and pawn shops. >> what happened between 1999 and now? for one thing, the tea party happened. people with even more extremist positions on several issues than the national rifle association. people flagrantly brandishing their second amendment rights at political events, specifically gun toting events for president obama, showing up in campaign e
none of it makes any sense in the real world. >> mr. lapierre, that is the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. we'll stop them from the purchase. you missed that point completely. >> senator, i think you missed -- >> let there be order. >> senator patrick leahy, the chairman of the committee, pointed out the last time he testified about this his testimony was the exact opposite. >> we think it should be...
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mr. lapierre, wait. mr. lapierre, please, wait. everybody, for a moment. i said earlier, there will be order. >> ruth, i mean, the testimony from mark kelly, from others, were that the shots, it was his ability to get off so many shots, that basically killed the 9-year-old girl. >> there were a bunch of different points. i was watching all morning, which you just sort of wanted to lean out and throttle the folks on your tv screen. gabrielle giffords' testimony was just heartbreaking, and i think it was particularly powerful, because everybody who knows her, understands that she did not come to this from the position of a stridently liberal anti-gun activist. she's a gun owner. mark kelly's testimony was very, very powerful about how he and gabrielle giffords are gun owners and believe in the importance of guns and owning guns. what i find most frustrating of the testimony from mr. lapierre and others is, there is no solution they appear willing to accept, unless it is guaranteed to stop every single incident of gun violence, and, of course, that's just not
mr. lapierre, wait. mr. lapierre, please, wait. everybody, for a moment. i said earlier, there will be order. >> ruth, i mean, the testimony from mark kelly, from others, were that the shots, it was his ability to get off so many shots, that basically killed the 9-year-old girl. >> there were a bunch of different points. i was watching all morning, which you just sort of wanted to lean out and throttle the folks on your tv screen. gabrielle giffords' testimony was just...
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lapierre my time is up. with all due respect, that was not the question i asked nor did you answer it. >> i think it is the answer. i honestly do -- >> okay. >> it's your testimony. >> senator grassley. >> before i ask questions, senator hatch asked if i would explain to everybody here why he left. he's ranking member of the finance committee and senator -- >> we continue to watch the hearing that's taking place on what to do about gun violence in the country. we'll take a quick commercial break and take you back there live right after this. this is f. this is f. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers. humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. at liberty mutual insurance, we understand. that's why our auto policies come with a
lapierre my time is up. with all due respect, that was not the question i asked nor did you answer it. >> i think it is the answer. i honestly do -- >> okay. >> it's your testimony. >> senator grassley. >> before i ask questions, senator hatch asked if i would explain to everybody here why he left. he's ranking member of the finance committee and senator -- >> we continue to watch the hearing that's taking place on what to do about gun violence in the...
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mr. lapierre compaq -- mr. lapierre, it does appear that the straw purchase prohibition that is out there, that prohibition seems to me to be legitimate. and i support -- and you said you support the prosecutions of it. but if we expand the number of people covered, and we do not have any prosecutions -- i believe you said there were only 44. that is the weakness in the system. >> senator, there needs to be a change in the culture of prosecution at the entire federal level. it is a disgrace. we could dramatically cut crimes with guns and save lives all over this country if we were to start enforcing the 9000 federal laws we have on the books. i'm talking about drug dealers with guns, gangs with guns, felons with guns. the numbers are shocking. in chicago, one of the worst areas in the country for a gun violence by criminals cannot -- for gun violence by criminals, it is 89 in 90. in the entire united states, 62 people prosecuted under all of the federal gun laws. in the project to clean of richmond years ago, t
mr. lapierre compaq -- mr. lapierre, it does appear that the straw purchase prohibition that is out there, that prohibition seems to me to be legitimate. and i support -- and you said you support the prosecutions of it. but if we expand the number of people covered, and we do not have any prosecutions -- i believe you said there were only 44. that is the weakness in the system. >> senator, there needs to be a change in the culture of prosecution at the entire federal level. it is a...
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. >> i think that mr. lapierre ignores what really was enormously powerful, even riveting testimony from gabby giffords and her instruction to our committee, the judiciary committee and congress itself, to be bold, to be courageous, because america is counting on you. and the call to action that came from newtown is for better enforcement of existing laws but also new laws that will enable better enforcement. we can have common ground with mr. lapierre that better enforcement of existing laws is necessary, but that leads in my view inevitably for the call for more background checks on the 40% of all firearms purchases that right now are within the exemption of the gun show loophole and private sale and background checks on ammunition purchases. background checks, for example, and other sensible measures like stronger action against trafficking and straw purchases and including a ban on assault weapons are within the common ground that i think we ought to try to establish here. >> senator, for those just jo
. >> i think that mr. lapierre ignores what really was enormously powerful, even riveting testimony from gabby giffords and her instruction to our committee, the judiciary committee and congress itself, to be bold, to be courageous, because america is counting on you. and the call to action that came from newtown is for better enforcement of existing laws but also new laws that will enable better enforcement. we can have common ground with mr. lapierre that better enforcement of existing...
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let me go to you, mr. lapierre. president obama has issued 23 executive actions on gun violence. can you discuss the commonality between your organization, the nra, and the obama administration when it comes to finding ways to reduce gun violence? >> what we think works, and we support what works. i've talked about the eagle child safety program which would put more money into than anybody in the country. we support enforcing the federal gun laws on the books were under% of the time against drug -- 100% of the time against a drug dealers, gangs with guns, felons with guns, and that works. you've got states like california where they send more inmates back to the streets and have to put more back in jail for new crimes guns -- committed against their citizens than any other state in the nation. new york state, too. the collapse of the fiscal situation in those states has also collapsed the criminal justice system in those states. the nra has always supported what works. we have 11,000 police instructors and we represent honest people all over this country. there are 25,000 violent
let me go to you, mr. lapierre. president obama has issued 23 executive actions on gun violence. can you discuss the commonality between your organization, the nra, and the obama administration when it comes to finding ways to reduce gun violence? >> what we think works, and we support what works. i've talked about the eagle child safety program which would put more money into than anybody in the country. we support enforcing the federal gun laws on the books were under% of the time...
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mr. lapierre compaq -- mr. lapierre, it does appear that the straw purchase prohibition that is out there, that prohibition seems to me to be legitimate. and i support -- and you said you support the prosecutions of it. but if we expand the number of people covered, and we do not have any prosecutions -- i believe you said there were only 44. that is the weakness in the system. >> senator, there needs to be a change in the culture of prosecution at the entire federal level. it is a disgrace. we could dramatically cut crimes with guns and save lives all over this country if we were to start enforcing the 9000 federal laws we have on the books. i'm talking about drug dealers with guns, gangs with guns, felons with guns. the numbers are shocking. in chicago, one of the worst areas in the country for a gun violence by criminals cannot -- for gun violence by criminals, it is 89 in 90. in the entire united states, 62 people prosecuted under all of the federal gun laws. in the project to clean of richmond years ago, t
mr. lapierre compaq -- mr. lapierre, it does appear that the straw purchase prohibition that is out there, that prohibition seems to me to be legitimate. and i support -- and you said you support the prosecutions of it. but if we expand the number of people covered, and we do not have any prosecutions -- i believe you said there were only 44. that is the weakness in the system. >> senator, there needs to be a change in the culture of prosecution at the entire federal level. it is a...
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i have a question for you, mr. lapierre. functionally, in terms of the operations of this fire arm, semi-automatic, you pull the trigger, one bullet comes out. is the firing mechanism in this fire arm materially different from the so-called assault weapons ban that this bill is targeted at? >> no, it is not. >> instead what it does target are cosmetic features. for example, i am holding in my hand a pistol grip. under this proposed legislation, if this piece of plastic were attached to this rifle, it would suddenly become a banned assault weapon. i would ask you, mr. lapierre, are you aware of any evidence to suggest that attaching a piece of plastic to this rifle would make it in any way slightly more dangerous? >> the problem with the whole bill that senator feinstein introduced, it is based on falsehoods to people that do not understand firearms. to convince them that the performance characteristics of guns they are trying to ban through that bill are different than the performance characteristics that they are not trying
i have a question for you, mr. lapierre. functionally, in terms of the operations of this fire arm, semi-automatic, you pull the trigger, one bullet comes out. is the firing mechanism in this fire arm materially different from the so-called assault weapons ban that this bill is targeted at? >> no, it is not. >> instead what it does target are cosmetic features. for example, i am holding in my hand a pistol grip. under this proposed legislation, if this piece of plastic were attached...
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i have a question for you, mr. lapierre. functionally, in terms of the operations of this fire arm, semi-automatic, you pull the trigger, one bullet comes out. is the firing mechanism in this fire arm materially different from the so-called assault weapons ban that this bill is targeted at? >> no, it is not. >> instead what it does target are cosmetic features. for example, i am holding in my hand a pistol grip. under this proposed legislation, if this piece of plastic were attached to this rifle, it would suddenly become a banned assault weapon. i would ask you, mr. lapierre, are you aware of any evidence to suggest that attaching a piece of plastic to this rifle would make it in any way slightly more dangerous? >> the problem with the whole bill that senator feinstein introduced, it is based on falsehoods to people that do not understand firearms. to convince them that the performance characteristics of guns they are trying to ban through that bill are different than the performance characteristics that they are not trying
i have a question for you, mr. lapierre. functionally, in terms of the operations of this fire arm, semi-automatic, you pull the trigger, one bullet comes out. is the firing mechanism in this fire arm materially different from the so-called assault weapons ban that this bill is targeted at? >> no, it is not. >> instead what it does target are cosmetic features. for example, i am holding in my hand a pistol grip. under this proposed legislation, if this piece of plastic were attached...
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. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. it will stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. >> senator-- >> i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you missed-- >> let be there be order! >> reporter: much of the debate centered around a proposed assault weapon ban that would also limit the rounds in a magazine to 10. giffords' husband mark kelly argued those restrictions would have limited the carnage jared loughner could commit. >> in 15 second he's emptied his magazine. it contained 33 bullets, and there were 33 wounds. >> reporter: but gun rights advocate gail trotter argued one person's assault weapon is another's last line of offense. >> and the peace of mind that a woman has as she's facing three, four, five, violent attackers, intruders in her home with her children screaming in the background, the peace of mind that she has knowing that she has a scary-looking gun, gives her more courage when she's fight
. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. it will stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. >> senator-- >> i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you missed-- >> let be there be order! >> reporter: much of the debate centered around a proposed assault weapon ban that would also limit the rounds in a magazine to 10. giffords' husband mark kelly...
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, even you mr. lapierre. it's good to see you again. i guess we tangled -- what was it 18 years ago. you look pretty good actually. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: but it doesn't make any sense, somebody was showing the testimony in 1999 when he was for background checks. and here he was yesterday. >> none of it makes any since. >> mr. lapierre that's the point the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. you missed that point completely. [ cheers ] >> senator i think you missed -- >> let there be order! >> the point is you can buy guns illegally out of the back of a car. >> stephanie: yeah, so let's just not do anything. >> we need layers of things. and hopefully, one, two, or three of those layers will catch the criminals who want to get guns. >> stephanie: yeah. angie welcome. >> caller: i love you guys. can you say hi pup and pepper. >> stephanie: hi pup and pepper who is handsome and romantic. >> caller: thank you. i'm in school to be a teacher. but i was cal
, even you mr. lapierre. it's good to see you again. i guess we tangled -- what was it 18 years ago. you look pretty good actually. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: but it doesn't make any sense, somebody was showing the testimony in 1999 when he was for background checks. and here he was yesterday. >> none of it makes any since. >> mr. lapierre that's the point the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. you missed that point completely. [...
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. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. we'll start them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. and i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you -- >> order. >> reporter: the line to get into this first hearing on guns since newtown was huge. snaking down the hallway and down the stairs, citizens on both sides of the issue. >> i truly care about this issue and want to support commonsense gun laws. >> guns are not the primary cause of the issue. it's the people that operator use the guns. >> reporter: inside, republican lindsey graham wanted to bring in a real gun but real tape and laws prevented it so he used pictures. >> does everybody on the panel agree that a convicted felon should not have either one of those guns? >> reporter: a staunch defender of gun rights, he talked about limiting high-capacity gun magazines by telling the story of a woman trying to fend off an intruder. >> her husband said, shoot, shoot. she
. >> mr. lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a background check. we'll start them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. and i think it's basic. >> senator, i think you -- >> order. >> reporter: the line to get into this first hearing on guns since newtown was huge. snaking down the hallway and down the stairs, citizens on both sides of the issue. >> i truly care about this issue and...
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and i think mr. lapierre needs to address that, including even the conspiracy theories that are circulating among gun rights activists, who claim that the
and i think mr. lapierre needs to address that, including even the conspiracy theories that are circulating among gun rights activists, who claim that the
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. >> that's not my question, please, mr. lapierre, i'm not trying to play games here, but if you could, it would help, just answer my question. >> senator, i do not believe the way the law is working now, unfortunately, that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> so, you do not support mandatory background checks at all in instances at gun shows? >> we do not, because the fact is, the law right now is a failure the way it's working. >> howard wilson, 9 in 10 americans support background checks. what planet is wayne lapierre on? >> well, he's clearly representing the gun lobby and the leadership of the gun lobby, which is many respects out of sync and out of membership of the nra. the polling we've done and the mayor have done shows members of the nra, rank and file members, gun owners, parents, support many of the reasonable checks that people are talking about, the gun show loophole closure, for instance and so many others. wayne lapierre, he's a washington lobbyist, and he
. >> that's not my question, please, mr. lapierre, i'm not trying to play games here, but if you could, it would help, just answer my question. >> senator, i do not believe the way the law is working now, unfortunately, that it does any good to extend the law to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> so, you do not support mandatory background checks at all in instances at gun shows? >> we do not, because the fact is, the law right now is a failure the way...
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lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns, because there will be a background check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. >> ifill: durbin pointed to chicago, where there have been 42 homicides just this month, the most violent month since 2002. the latest victim: 15-year-old hadiya pendleton, who marched with her high school band at the president's inaugural parade just last week, was killed yesterday. >> i also want to say a word she attended the university prep school in chicago. she was an honors student and a majorette, and she marched in the inaugural parade last week here in chicago. it was the highlight of her young 15-year-old life. yesterday in a rainstorm after school, she raced to a shelter. a gunman came in and shot her dead. just a matter of days after the happiest day of her life, she's gone. we are awash in guns. the confiscation of guns per capita in chicago is six times the number of new york city. we have guns everywhere. a
lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns, because there will be a background check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. >> ifill: durbin pointed to chicago, where there have been 42 homicides just this month, the most violent month since 2002. the latest victim: 15-year-old hadiya pendleton, who marched with her high school band at the president's inaugural parade just last week, was killed yesterday. >> i also...
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lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns, because there will be a background check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. >> ifill: durbin pointed to chicago, where there have been 42 homicides just this month the most violent month since 2002. the latest victim: 15-year-old hadiya pendleton, who marched with her high school band at the president's inaugural parade just last week, was killed yesterday. >> i also want to say a word she attended the university prep school in chicago. she was an honors student and a majorette, and she marched in the inaugural parade last week here in chicago. it was the highlight of her young 15-year-old life. yesterday in a rainstorm after school, she raced to a shelter. a gunman came in and shot her dead. just a matter of days after the happiest day of her life, she's gone. we are awash in guns. the confiscation of guns per capita in chicago is six times the number of new york city. we have guns everywhere. an
lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns, because there will be a background check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. >> ifill: durbin pointed to chicago, where there have been 42 homicides just this month the most violent month since 2002. the latest victim: 15-year-old hadiya pendleton, who marched with her high school band at the president's inaugural parade just last week, was killed yesterday. >> i also...
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please, i'm not trying to place questions, mr. lapierre. >> senator, i do not believe the way the law is working now, unfortunately, that it does any good to extend a lot to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> so you don't support mandatory background checks at the gun shows? >> we do not, because the fact is the law right now is a failure of the way it's working. you have 76,000 people that have been denied under the present law. only 44 were prosecuted. you are letting them go. they're walking the streets. >> in 1999 you said no poles anywhere for anyone. but now you do not support background checks for all buyers of firearms? -- news said no loopholes. >> this administration is not prosecuting the people they catch. 23 states are not even putting the mental rackets of those deemed mentally incompetent. in the incompetent it is assumed you don't prosecute and they try to buy guns, even if you catch them and let them walk away, you assume they will not get a gun. they are homicidal maniacs and they are mentally ill
please, i'm not trying to place questions, mr. lapierre. >> senator, i do not believe the way the law is working now, unfortunately, that it does any good to extend a lot to private sales between hobbyists and collectors. >> so you don't support mandatory background checks at the gun shows? >> we do not, because the fact is the law right now is a failure of the way it's working. you have 76,000 people that have been denied under the present law. only 44 were prosecuted. you...
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testifying. >> sons and daughters -- >> please step forward. >> thank you, mr. chairman. it's an honor to be here on the behalf of more than 4.5 million moms and dads and sons and daughters in every state across our nation who make up the national rifle association of america. there are 4.5 million active members of the nra and they are joined by tens of millions much supporters throughout the country. it's on behalf of those millions of decent hard working law-abiding citizens that i'm here today to give voice to their concerns. the title of today's hearings is what should america do about gun violence? we believe the answer to that question is to be honest about what works and honest about what doesn't work. teaching safe and responsible gun ownership works and nra has a long and proud history of doing exactly that. our child safety program told 25 million young children if they see a
testifying. >> sons and daughters -- >> please step forward. >> thank you, mr. chairman. it's an honor to be here on the behalf of more than 4.5 million moms and dads and sons and daughters in every state across our nation who make up the national rifle association of america. there are 4.5 million active members of the nra and they are joined by tens of millions much supporters throughout the country. it's on behalf of those millions of decent hard working law-abiding...
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lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a back grounding check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. i think it's basic. >> reporter: but can the president push a far-reaching law to tackle gun violence through congress? >> is he biting off more than he can chew? >> this is a president with a 60% approval rating right now. he is in his last term as president. this is the time to strike while the iron is hot. he's as popular as he may ever be. if he's going to go try to sell his agenda, now is the time to do it. >> reporter: president obama said in a univision interview yesterday that congress will pass bills on both gun violence and immigration in the coming months, but even some democrats like chuck schumer who support a wide-reaching bill are more optimistic that just something narrow like on background checks, closing that so-called gun shield loophole is really the thing that will have the most success. >> some dem
lapierre, that's the point. the criminals won't go to purchase the guns because there will be a back grounding check. we'll stop them from the original purchase. you missed that point completely. i think it's basic. >> reporter: but can the president push a far-reaching law to tackle gun violence through congress? >> is he biting off more than he can chew? >> this is a president with a 60% approval rating right now. he is in his last term as president. this is the time to...